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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2008.07.04 23:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Tamia Clant
Originally by: Stab Wounds
TS/Ventrilo > EVE voice
Troll much?
It's not really trolling when it's true.
The beginning was the end (of everything)
The Ape regards his tail, (he's stuck on it)
Repeats until he fails..half a goon and half a god.. a man's not made of steel...
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2008.07.05 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Doc Fury
Originally by: Tamia Clant
Originally by: Stab Wounds
TS/Ventrilo > EVE voice
Troll much?
It's not really trolling when it's true.
Which would be valid, if it were true. 
Except that the OP has nailed one of the exact reasons that it is currently inferior.
The beginning was the end (of everything)
The Ape regards his tail, (he's stuck on it)
Repeats until he fails..half a goon and half a god.. a man's not made of steel...
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2008.07.05 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
The OP has stated one of the disadvantages it has over Vent and TS. This does not necessary signify a general inferiority, which I think is a matter of opinion.
For that specific operation, EVE Voice was a clear winner over Vent/TS.
As long as CCP's client (and CCP) remains in the loop as a possible specific point of failure, it will remain to be inferior to Vent or TS.
/me points to CCP's billing system
/me points to ongoing lag every weekend
/me points to these forums
/me points to CCP's demonstrated lack of QA/QC capability capability
and the list goes on..
The beginning was the end (of everything)
The Ape regards his tail, (he's stuck on it)
Repeats until he fails..half a goon and half a god.. a man's not made of steel...
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2008.07.05 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Doc Fury
Originally by: Tarminic
The OP has stated one of the disadvantages it has over Vent and TS. This does not necessary signify a general inferiority, which I think is a matter of opinion.
For that specific operation, EVE Voice was a clear winner over Vent/TS.
As long as CCP's client (and CCP) remains in the loop as a possible specific point of failure, it will remain to be inferior to Vent or TS.
/me points to CCP's billing system
/me points to ongoing lag every weekend
/me points to these forums
/me points to CCP's demonstrated lack of QA/QC capability capability
and the list goes on..
And yet, if it was inferior, why did we use it?
Because you are drunk on CCP's Kool-aid? (guessing)
You used it because it was convenient and free, and because as long as you don't lag out it probably works o.k. Convenient and free does not make it on par with TS or Vent. If CCP made this external to the game client, and allowed a 3rd party to operate it who has proficiency doing so, I would 100% reconsider my position.
When a fleet lags-out and 1/2 of the fleet has to log, it's an obvious advantage to be able to tell them via voice where to be when (or if) they can log back on.
The beginning was the end (of everything)
The Ape regards his tail, (he's stuck on it)
Repeats until he fails..half a goon and half a god.. a man's not made of steel...
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2008.07.05 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
So you would say that in that particular instance, EVE Voice was the best tool for the job, even if it is not the best tool for all or even most instances?
Not having been a part of your fleet I cannot say one way or another, but I would digress to say that if you claim it worked flawlessly for you in this specific situation with a small fleet then kudos for the convenience.
Until it's external and we don't have to reconnect the game client to make comms work again, E-voice is not even close to being on par with Vent or TS.
The beginning was the end (of everything)
The Ape regards his tail, (he's stuck on it)
Repeats until he fails..half a goon and half a god.. a man's not made of steel...
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2008.07.05 02:14:00 -
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Edited by: Doc Fury on 05/07/2008 02:18:58
Originally by: Bast's Cleric
Actually I think Eve Voice worked quite well for that Fleet. I suspect that if CCP were to provide a External Voice Client that the use of TS and Vent for Eve would disappear entirely.
I suspect you would be right if it was also in fact as reliable as vent or TS are now. The biggest hurdle here is that E-voice has to support thousands of users (or more) simultaneously whereas a private TS or vent server only has to deal with a minute fraction of those users making the potential for failure that much less.
The beginning was the end (of everything)
The Ape regards his tail, (he's stuck on it)
Repeats until he fails..half a goon and half a god.. a man's not made of steel...
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2008.07.05 02:32:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
But to dismiss it entirely is flawed, because there are plenty of instances where it's superior to TS or Vent. 
I only do so based on CCP's established long-term inability to make their existing game features scale very well, and the fact that they regularly tackle a problem to only 90% completion.
I am fully prepared to be impressed however, should they start demonstrating otherwise.
The beginning was the end (of everything)
The Ape regards his tail, (he's stuck on it)
Repeats until he fails..half a goon and half a god.. a man's not made of steel...
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